the iconography if i of president obama is a success and even her run in 2008 was hugely important. how clear is she about her potentially historic role and the fact that as a woman she would become so important? >> it's part of the fabric of her life. she connects on that level in every single place she's visited, you know, 12 corrupts and almost a million miles. she always does a town hall meeting or a meeting with women. it's part of who she is, and she feels that historic role. i think when you look at it as a pragmatic political fact of life for democrats, notwithstanding the extraordinary role that will joe biden has played and continues to play as the partner to the president, this would be the one way to, after eight years of the obama administration, to be historic and somewhat of an outsider and a break-through candidate, and it would be one way to run against some new fresh blood in the republican party. >> boy, you know, we love the secretary of state. but on a personal note, i'd feel badly for her if she were matched up against the greatest vice president in the history